Health Care Reform: The Hank Factor
In which John, who is kind of a fiscal conservative, uses the example of Hank to show how the current American health care system disincentivizes economic growth and entrepreneurship and argues that a public insurance option (even like the hodgepodge one in Montana) does not result in public bankruptcy but a more efficient and productive economy. Our community lives at www.nerdfighters.com
mollen19 Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 8:26 am
no that makes you a Canadian… and my fellow countrymen are danish and we got free healthcare, education (all the way) etc. etc.
EasyEs Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 9:21 am
I am Canadian and have experienced our health care system..I want to see more market based reforms in the system, and would like to see the USA move away from greater government health care and towards the market more.
Does that by default make me a racist in your eyes as you slandered your fellow countryman…?
phillipmarch22 Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 9:51 am
Expensive insurance? And after you buy that policy do you think your covered? Just wait till you need by-pass surgery or chemotherapy! They will drop you like a bad transmission!
mollen19 Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 10:02 am
your argument fails because it involves the ooh boo terrible terrible socialism, and a black man as president, no neocon can see through that
certifiedhealthnut Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 10:16 am
ulcerated colitis can be simply cured with nutrition like a healthy diet, PURPLE CABBAGE JUICE & Sangre de Drago
in fact there is a study that gave cabbage juice to inmates with this issue and solved the problem in weeks….you must drink the cabbage juice within the first minute of juicing as a certain enzyme dies of quick.
Hypocrites said: let thy food be thy medicine…humanity has simply lost their way :-[
Health is a Choice!…that one must choose!
fattymc20 Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 10:52 am
Hank needs to get a part time job and buy some expensive insurance. Maybe a change in diet too. How many people does hank employ? His entrepreneur(ship) will take a hit broadside if he wants to grow his business. He will have to insure the emplolyees. How does that encourage growth?
ShakeyAmy Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 11:16 am
I have Dystonia (dystonia is like the baby of MS and Parkinsons) and I went from working for a big company because 1.I ENJOYED my job 2. I wanted to have money saved when I retired unlike my parents. For 3 years I worked hard and got my “life plan” in order. House,Car,Furniture…Then BOOM a progressive neurological disorder that for a year they could not diagnose and cost ME OUT OF POCKET WITH INSURANCE 22K.
superHICMAN Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 11:41 am
and thats why i <3 the nhs, you all know that its really the only way to go.
trapjohnson Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 12:39 pm
Damn, he buys a new car in pills in little over two years.
Ouch.
regularguy5mb Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 12:45 pm
Save Hank, save the world.
Heroes reference, anyone?
No?
jlbrown1980 Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 12:58 pm
Yeah, the Case for Killing Granny showed just what the government wants for this shitty health care and chipping us like animals. Fuckin pathetic. I’m so happy I deployed 3 times as an Infantryman for our government to turn us into a Socialistic Society. We’re terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan, but since we’re the military the sheep don’t see it that way; even though it’s the definition.
ihearttheplanet Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 1:50 pm
i thibk the basic problem is a clear divide in values, some believe you should work for your living and things such as health care are a by product of this othres would say that health care is a right and it is only just human and compassionate to help others if they have less money than you. The problem wioth these two view pionts is that they are both very broad and do not take into to account the indvidiuals in each case, which i suppose is the problem with all policies
landluvver Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 2:33 pm
How about knocking off the arguement against health insurance companies and looking at the meat of the bill (what they’ll show you) and see what it does to your care and costs. It was promised to cut costs (CBO says no) reduce deficit (CBO says no) create competition (so would allowing intrastate commerce). With a massive influx of new entitlements comes longer lines, less care and yes, Govt. can control what you receive. This is not the right solution, but theyre in a hurry to make more history
hadenufnow Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 3:04 pm
Here’s an accurate statistic::
I am one of the 52 mil uninsured & I am packin approx $400,000 in med problems..which I self medicate & have relatively under control..
If I am FORCED to BUY into that 3000 pg pile of crap insurance I will guarantee YOU will go BROKE paying for me….
Statistically most of the 52 million uninsured are HIGH RISK HI $ Uninsurables, which if placed into this plan WILL BANKRUPT SYSTEM…
TacticusPrime Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 3:54 pm
Wait there are 1.3 million Americans over the age of 65 who don’t have Medicare? They can’t all be independently wealthy, what are they doing?
ohallorandeirdre Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 3:56 pm
My mom has that too. In Ireland. And even though she got operated on YEARS ago, still has problems getting insured too- they eventually give it to her, but for lots of money. Understand the shittiness of the situation.
ndes0532 Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 4:36 pm
wouldn’t the more logical conclusion be to stop encouraging people to be poor or work for a big company? (i don’t see how somebody could be en- or disencouraged from being old)
TheChadley1000 Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 4:36 pm
Of the 47 mil uninsured, 45.7 mil are under 65 and making them eligible for insurance. 79% are US nationals, with 21% being a mixture of legal and illegal immigrants. This research is found from the nonpartisan Kaiser family foundation. I suggest to anyone putting across figures in future, to get them from reliable sources and actual research organisations – NOT MAGAZINES OR BIAS NEWSPAPERS!
TheChadley1000 Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 4:55 pm
I checked the link given to back up the stats and it didn’t work, instead though it took me to the liberty pages. Most of the info there is articles from newspapers and is the opinion of the author! Bigboss, you are sourcing your data from the worst places! Why not go to a non partisan source where they have an unbiased viewpoint! Thats where the honestly lies! You can’t misrepresent data like that, you have to get ACTUAL figures not some guys views and use it matter of factly!
TheChadley1000 Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 5:25 pm
By turning down treatment, or reducing the denial rate, people are given alternative treatment, and more of it, as it will not cure the person, no thats too costly, but it will help them live with it and in the long run make money for the drug companies as this person will have to continue the treatment fro much longer then necessary. The US system is flawed in too many ways. Richest country in the world with advanced medicine and facilities, yet only 37th in the world in health care!
TheChadley1000 Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 6:11 pm
HAHA I like this guy, he talks sense. Its is just ONE of the many reasons why America should have a “socialist” healthcare system. There is NO money in treating the ill, in fact it costs money, and private care is a business, like every business they must maximise profits by reducing costs, business no.1.
bigboss686 Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 6:49 pm
liberty-page(.)com/cliches/guidebook.html#40million
fairly large percentage of the “46 million” uninsured people in this country are eligible for medicaid. when you subtract people making over $50,000 (people who can afford it but choose not to have it), illegal aliens (have no right to it in the first place), and people who are eligible for medicaid but don’t know it, the number of uninsured drops to about 8 million, or a little over 2%
hopefully you were just misinformed Instead of lying
bigboss686 Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 7:19 pm
in case any of you guys are interested, the current health-care bill is an absolute travesty, as a matter of fact. Dennis Kucinich actually voted against the current bill.
Also another thing to remember is that Montana’s population is pretty small by comparison. And they also get federal money to fill in the cracks.
oddcoupple Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 8:09 pm
Rep,Teapartiers,Beck are CEOcommunists…They want you pay your bloody rates to the CEOs gains and private health care bureaucracy!
40 milions US uninsured citizens and US bailed out economy really need a National Health Care (Single Payer) founded by progressive tax (not flat tax) on the capital gains.
Single Payer Now!
shawakwak Said,
January 11, 2010 @ 8:42 pm
That was well thought out and smart.