ObamaCare and Mission Creep: Why health care reform will end up covering much more than you think.
From the war in Iraq to the space station, government programs almost always end up costing much more than they were supposed to. They also usually end up doing more than they were supposed to. Would ObamaCare be any different? Some say ObamaCare would lead to death panels, even euthanasia classes. Now supporters of President Obama’s health care overhaul are fighting back against such charges. And the president himself warns: “If you misrepresent what’s in this plan, we will call you out …
roscoe85cj Said,
January 16, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
Better get ready to add 10 Million Hatian refugees to Obama’s socialized medicine plan .. dig a little deeper into those pockets people !
frankroto Said,
January 16, 2010 @ 11:22 pm
@bigdogsdontbark: Most people want this, and while it could’ve been much better, it’s not crap. That’s why, in 2008, we (the US electorate) voted out the people who opposed health care reform for decades. Not sure who you mean by “no one”.
Stopandthinkforamin Said,
January 16, 2010 @ 11:24 pm
I’m with you!!!! These morons need to go!
bigdogsdontbark Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 12:06 am
Noone wants this crap! Thats why we are voting them out in November.
doc4care Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 12:24 am
does calling something a FACT make it so?
FACT: No
(why would you believe someone named demonpreyer too begin with…?)
kekemankek, no matter how many facts you present, unfortunately Rupert Murdoch has packaged a more compelling show to deliver MISinformation, and these folks are too ( WHAT?) to fact check.
FACT: Jefferson and other framers of the constitution did a great job, assuming a well informed citizenry, calculated to prevent as well as to correct abuse.
See the problem here? Yep.
doc4care Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 12:50 am
right or not, capitalexchange, you’ll end up paying for the care of others. it’s a price you’ll pay for this society.
control the cost with reform, or keep shuttling the unfortunates back through the ER., at much higher cost.
most developed countries have realized the problem, and deal with it far better than we have, even though we pay much higher costs.
the scope of the problem calls for regulation.
good luck with you and your ^spawns’^ rights. maybe they’ll not be so naive or selfish…
doc4care Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 1:50 am
You got that right!
RuflessRecords Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 2:13 am
No they’re not the bad guys, but, making that industry as competitive as possible to bring down prices is a top priority. A lot of these companies get an instant monopoly on a new breakthrough and so can charge pretty much anything they want until there’s a generic or another company makes a competing drug. This is a difficult area to make competitive. I’m not sure what the correct solution here is. Price controls means less money poured into R & D. Getting a conscience would be good.
doc4care Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 3:12 am
So, are drug companies the bad guys? If you don’t have health insurance, yes.
Along with the insurance company profiteers, imho.
But someone has to drive a Bentley. Right?
doc4care Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 4:00 am
Exactly gofudgeyourself. Why is that fact so difficult to understand? Why?
Could it be they’re massively, hugely gullible; misinformed, and completely taken in by an argument that is repeated in every talking-point memo the industry is PAYING to air?
>But the next time a friend or family member is denied coverage, remember where that money went. And ask yourself: why? Why did I support big-money interests and not the 58 year old having an MRI denied. One that reveals cancer.
Sorry grandpa.
doc4care Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 4:37 am
That was why Ford asked for the money?
I didn’t know we were at war with SUVs too. Terrorists AND SUVs? And ^Seizing^ opponents? What happened after they were seized?
Bad decade for the:^Fock the grandkids’ air quality, just gimme my big-assed truck^ folks, I reckon.
Happy new decade
Christoppher1994 Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 5:32 am
also, I have many interests other than politics,are you saying I am not allowed to watch people blow each other up with tactical nukes? Are you saying to be an “intellectual” I must adhere to your practice by saying “video games are the epitome of emptiness and EVIL!” than no thanks, I’d rather not be an “intellectual”
Christoppher1994 Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 6:21 am
I’m glad you think my intellect is of much smaller than yours however, what you are looking at is the size of your ego. Any how: Reform isn’t going to pass this election season. The politicians (whom all lack spines) who are up for election, will “cater” (smooth talk in this case) their constituents that “no! I Mary Landrieu, did not take a bribe to vote for health care reform!
doc4care Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 6:53 am
@Christoppher1994
The rep vs demo partisanship is completely destructive to national interests. Why didn’t the repubs join the DEBATE, not just say ^NO^ in the Ted Stevens way that sums up their POV in these last years. Easily led by the seductive chauvinism of popular talk shows, they have seemingly ceased to think, merely PARROT talking points that are repeated SO frequently they are mistaken for factual journalism. Frequently misleading: a simple fact-check reveals obvious MIS-information
doc4care Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 7:19 am
@Christoppher1994
good for you C1994. But a visit to your profile begs otherwise. Video games do not constitute an education.
And the reform is underway. I hope it’ll work out well for you, sincerely. The libertarian view is worthy of interest, but frequently difficult to reconcile with social ills.
doc4care Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 7:19 am
@jmatt926
excluded only in the sense that I’m well informed, having personal/professional knowledge of medical care in the US.
And I repeat the point of the post: a
WELL INFORMED CITIZENRY is sorely lacking in MY country, the USA. The majority of US have little or no knowledge of the issues in this debate; WORSE: they’re MIS-informed. This subset, frequently poor, uneducated, is far more likely to express resistance to REFORM – failing to understand no change means economic disaster 4 USA
Colourbend Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 7:40 am
Wanna hear a joke? Congress. HA
Christoppher1994 Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 8:27 am
I’m just waiting for the democrats to wage full scale smear wars on each other. That’s where the fun begins in this “debate” (yes, I know they already do, however these will be way worse)
Christoppher1994 Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 8:41 am
The only reason you Scandinavian states are technically live a better lifestyle than the us is for 3 reasons:
1) you sit on MASSIVE oil reserves, giving your country HUGE subsidies
2) you have a small population of people who are ethnically similar (you are all Finnish)
3) Because of #2, you tend to work better and have lower crime rates.
The U.S. is much bigger, more culturally and ethnically more diverse, and our economies are much different. you cannot say “it works”
Christoppher1994 Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 9:16 am
that’s kind of ironic how you say we “lack evolved” when you yourself are an American. Speak for yourself but I am not “lacking evolution” or “uneducated” move to France if you think that they are doing the right thing.
LLCoolPass Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 10:10 am
no, european countries are analogous to states like New Jersey. the federal government is responsible to the us constitution. the constitution does not have any provision to allow health care nor the federal reserve. do you totally awesome europeans learn that in your flawless education ?
WhiteHatBobby Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 10:43 am
And TARP wasn’t the only thing used to “bail out” automakers. As I learned, the “real goal” of seizing GM and Chrysler was that neither automaker had what was mandated in the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act — the tiny and electric cars. Ford asked the feds for $6 billion to make such, and the real goal was to win liberals’ War on SUV’s by seizing opponents of trucks.
kev3d Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 11:01 am
Pay for itself? You realize Medicare and Medicaid are not only broke, but cost far more than what was originally estimated? So why not tack on yet another government run ponzi scheme and see how that goes.
jmatt926 Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 11:49 am
@ doc4care,
Judging from how you spoke about Americans, as if you yourself were excluded, allows me to assume you are not an American. It follows that you most likely know next to nothing about how Americans actually think, you must only know what the media has told you, and, therefore, you are no better than even these hypothetical “unevolved” Americans you have spoken so disdainfully of.
So before you judge an entire nation so quickly, realize your opinion on this means absolutely nothing.
doc4care Said,
January 17, 2010 @ 12:46 pm
I agree, gofudge. Americans lack the social evolution essential to caring for others via gov’t. However, they’re frequently noted to be the most generous in charitable donations. Most Americans distrust gov’t instead of the insurance co’s: a critical mind-set difference from most Europeans. This despite the counter-intuitive ^logic^, they vote against their own self-interest. Are they fully educated in this? No.
*A well informed citizenry^ is sorely lacking in US policy; corruption rules.